:::::::: Mod3mSpeaks.txt :::::::: The story behind the END of Scenetime by Mod3m of Darkage; CODER, founder and organizer. After the release of ST11, Kaos and me started to work on the new issue. You must know I was the responsable for the photos, and I regularly write the italian report and the article "up and down". Things weren't too good in Darkage at the end of 1998, as many members were inactive and we hadn't graphicians and swappers. Kaos firstly gave me some articles, then a module and a bootpic, made by BadBart. I immediatly linked the gallery, and started to link the files to the mag source. Time passed, and Kaos didn't wrote emails frequently as before. I wrote him about the intro, and he answered Wipe was coding it. Sadly, Wipe was unreachable for unknown reasons, and the intro never was ready. One day Kaos in IRC asked me for the iff photos for the gallery, because he wanted to watch them. He also asked me for the italian report and the new up'n'down article. As I had them ready, I passed them to him. January and February passed, without any progress for Scenetime, but I was sure Kaos was working in his sparetime (as we remember he was doing the army). And now what? I joined IRC and the topic was "Scenetime and Pressure are DEAD" and everyone was spreading the new magazine for the scene.. TSP. WHAT?!? I wrote immediatly Ghandy, and asked Yure (that was in my home) why they were named in the staff and they didn't told me NOTHING about them. I had the code ready, why Kaos wrote he needed a new code? I spent time working on it and now it won't be released. The answer from them was: "WE DIDN'T KNEW NOTHING". The same from Soda and Woober. But it isn't finished: 1) The gallery had the SAME photos I collected,they're just smaller and uglier to see :-) 2) There are MY articles in TSP, without MY permission, and the italian report it's firmed by KAOSMASTER. The proof I'm not lying it's clear: read about the Darkage Group, where there's "and there's an intro by me (Mod3m)". No more words to see about this. But Kaos wrote me and Ghandy an email, explaining the new situation. He wrote no one from Darkage supported him, and other things. Apart his errors, try to read what he told us: ------- hello all !!! well this is a letter for all of you! after 1 month of absence from the scene, I touched a critical point and decided to focus pressure's code and showtime's soul into one single thing. that's called the scene press,. that means that showtime IS NOT dead or so pressure. they have just joined and used a new name to not create conflicts between the 2 crews,.. all this happend in a dark night... you can see the results with your eyes.! get it on all boards and on amigascne..... . well do not get hungry with me if you have not been informed..... indeed I was not been at home........ and need a great help to complete the mag.. and this help came offerd to me by NON-darkage memebers ( i.e. wipe did NOT make the intro ) , nothing more to add! surely I will receive many negative comments from inside my crew.... .... meanwhile I got 47 emails of happy ppl! =) and that follows! not happy of my work! but more than else happy of the new code. umh..... well , thanx for all! later -- kaosmaster of Darkage _____ ______________________________________________________________ _____ ////// kaosmaster of darkage - Showtime Maineditor - Aprilia RS250cc\\\\\\ ////// ATO member - pROJeCT : Wasted Dreams - Foundation \\\\\Y///// M.I.B. member - ICQ 15535677 - A4000/060/PPC604e233+CVPPC \\\////// - -- ---- ---- -------- -------------------------------------- --\////// ------- Well... he should rename himself to Kaosmaster/ex Darkage. In our group we appreciate friendship, honesty and clear things. If he wanted to close ST and to join NXV, why didn't he told us this? And you? What do you think? :::::::: userORscener_.txt :::::::: Amiga: user or scener? The actual Amiga market is somehow limited, it's little, probably even smalle than the Acorn one, and surely the number of users, even if compared to the littlest markets, is small. But there is a thing that the other systems can't boast. The Amiga userlevel is really higher, obviously I'm talking about percentuals, and Amiga users actually can do things that others can't. This is a point. Then there are the sceners. What is the exact position of the sceners in the Amiga market? If we talk about coding, actually our coders know a lot of the old architecture of the Amiga, they tend to access it at a very low level, hacking the machines to get what was considered incredible. Just think at the PC side... demos that run only under 3D libraries, music played just with megas of sampled songs etc. I don't uderstand why people keep on saying "this demo is just an animation and it's not realtime rendered" when also when the scenes are in realtime they are done just using APIs, libraries and 3D kits. There is no difference to do a demo with an animation or using the code already done by others, where are then the programming skills? In the library calls? But this is another thing. On the Amiga a new difference is growing: the difference between the user and the scener. Can a scener be defined "Amiga user"? I know this can sound strange, but in fact this reality exists. To explain I'll do some examples. I am involved in the scene, I enjoy looking at demos, I love going to the parties, I need the scene friendship, I try to be active in the scene, I like to talk about scene philosophy and definitely I love scene. On the other side, I write for an Amiga magazine, I work for the Amiga, I develop for Amiga (my company will soon come out of Italy with our products), I follow the market, go to the most important meetings like in Cologne or the World of Amiga. and definitely I love Amiga. Is it possible to share both the things? Yes, it is. Just it's a little bit difficult to adapt, you need two brains. One for the scene, one for the Amiga. Just think at a party, you are crazy, enjoy, run up and down, don't sleep, and think at a jornalist at Colonia, in jacket and tie, in a Conference or talking with the heads of a society... can you imagine that that serious journalist is a hothead, and that that hothead crazy scener is in reality a serious journalist? And it's too fun. And the sceners are also users? Do they support market? Yes, they buy expensive 060 accelerators or PPCs, but for different reasons. A user buys a PPC or a 060 (or both!) to get real speed. A scener buys a PPC or a 060 to see the demos at the full speed, to follow the tendencies. A sceners takes the WorkBench screen in PAL Hi-res in a masimum of 8 colors. A user loves the Newicons, has a shining 800x600 WB, a wonderful backdrop picture and so on. The scener has a huge amount of demos installed, some games, DPaint or PPaint, the AsmONE and some storage directories with the work of his group. The user has lots of programs installed, Quake and Doom, uses only TVPaint and Photoshop under ShapeShifter, uses the StormC or the SAS and maybe uses Linux too. The scener doesn't care of his harddrives, may be scsi, ide, no care about the speed, they need only big storage space. The users hate IDE, they use only SCSI drives, and the get crazy if go under the 7mb'sec of transfer rate. The scener uses a Philips 8833 or a 1084 monitor, and use only PAL. The user can't see the PAL, have only a SuperVGA monitor and get angry when a program/game/application opens a PAL screen that can't be promoted. So it seems to be impossible to be the same in the same time, right? But it's not so, and this is part of the magic of the Amiga and the scene. Maybe thanks to the Amiga, the scener/user (scuser? :-) can be the same at same time, as the Amiga gives the mind inclination to resolve problems. So you will see people with a PPC board with 060 that keep on using a PAL WB, but that have a multiscan monitor, so they can browse and chat in dblpal mode... or you see someone with a gfx board and another PAL monitor, just to see demos and read mags. So you see musicians that use Protracker for demos and DigiBooster or Octamed SStudio for work, so you see gfx that use Dpaint, Brilliance or PPaint for the demo stuff, and use Photoshop to work. And this brings to the second point. Many people say that the scening activity brings nowhere. They say that if you are a coder, you have no chanche to work in the real life. They say: no one will ask you to do rotating cubes, they'll ask you for relational databases! They say: no one will ask you for a pic in 640x480, they'll ask you rendered logos in layers and in Photoshop format! They say: no one reads your articles in the mags, you have no future. In theory it may be possible. But I have too many examples to believe to it. I can point examples of my friends in scene: Modem is a good coder, good user. Now he mixed the scening routines in a DTV software, and he is now working in a DTV studio. Randy was not so bad as coder, when he left scene he used the experience from the Amiga in the Java development, and he's now working in that enviroment (doing lots of money). I in first person am just an editor, is it just a case that I write for magazine and am becoming a journalist? This is becuase when you use Amiga at the limit, like sceners do, when you pass to the serious work, your mind is ready to be used in the right way. And after the Amiga you are ready for it. But at the end you are a user or a scener? Amiga sceners ARE Amiga users, and are the best of both sides. Yure :::::::: YureSpeaks.txt :::::::: Hello all friends/freaks/amigasceners etc... A little bit of history so far... Sometime ago, KaosMaster was quite after me, triyng to convince me to join the SceneTime crew. To be true, I really didn't know, as Planet was almost over (the last issue was soon to be released), while in the ROM way seemed that no new ROM would appear. So I told Kaos that I would mind on it. He was talking of a "news great project", but didn't even want to tell me something about it. He told me:" Well, Yure, let's do so. I will interview you on the next ST, asking you to join, and then you will join, right?". I agreed, Some weeks passed, Kaos didn't mail or phone me. Now I am at Mod3m's home, typing on his keyboard. Casually I was here in his same town for about a week. In this time I joined Darkage. Kaos didn't know this. Mod3m phoned me and told me about the KaosMaster "new mag and released project". As I see, the job done by Kaos is something weird. First, I will let Mod3m explain his reason, but please read on mine for 5 minutes. FIRST: KaosMaster NEVER, NEVER asked me to write for a magazine who was not Scene Time. And what I find in The Scene Press? "Welcome to our new writers, and I'm among them". Wow. Incredible. He knew it and me not. SECOND: I gave Kaos an article for SCENETIME. It was called "User OR Scener", you will find it in TSP, but you can't read it since the mag seems to bug so it isn't possioble to view all the text. I wonder if Kaosmaster signed that article with my name or with HIS name, but I can't know. THIRD: Kaos was NOT authorized to put that article there. Simple as being said. He didn't ask me to join, he didn't ask me if he could use my article, HE DIDN'T EVEN TOLD ANYONE ABOUT THIS MAG. You will find somewhere here in the archive, the original file containing the article user OR scener. So what can I think? I can say that after I joined Darkage I will work and write for DARKAGE productions, not for ppl who don't even tell you about it. I rarely saw so much lameness and missing respect from someone you think of as a friend. Yes, I'm really disappointed about KaosMaster. I will not talk about what he also did, like inserting Mod3m's articles faked as Kaos ones, or RIPPING the material for the chart, that I hope you will find here. Sorry Kaos, but I would never imagine that you could do this. Too bad.